tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3421717067893938118.post8402606008498042560..comments2024-01-28T10:25:23.656+08:00Comments on ZaidLearn: RT01- Closed Book Exams Could Even Kill George the Jungle!ZaidLearnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17621097605357272748noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3421717067893938118.post-73457320630084697902010-10-05T08:28:39.244+08:002010-10-05T08:28:39.244+08:00Dear Alan Cooper,
Thanks for the great feedback a...Dear Alan Cooper,<br /><br />Thanks for the great feedback and quarrel :)<br /><br />However, I have to totally disagree with you, too. Why? Either because what I wrote didn't get processed right (perhaps I need to work on the wording), or that you simply misunderstood what I meant by closed book exams.<br /><br />I agree to a certain extent that "it makes sense to use closed book testing of those aspects for which it will be important to be able to respond quickly in the workplace or other application environment." <br /><br />However, your examples given are not closed-book exams as defined by the 'George the Jungle' article. Look at the image, and hopefully you get the point :)<br /><br />First Aid training exams are usually skills-based exams, meaning you are carrying out the activities and an expert is evaluating whether you are doing it correctly or not. That is not pen(cil) and paper exams. <br /><br />If you are meaning First Aid exams where you need to write out or tick the answer. Well that is an insult to authentic and aligned assessment to the real learning outcomes (unless the learning outcome specifies that you should be able to document the person dying in 22 seconds). <br /><br />As for cocktail party conversation exams, it makes perfect sense to be able to refer to books during the exams. When you write research papers, do you pick your reference from your brain (photographic memory), or do you refer to books or Google Scholar or whatever?<br /><br />In short, I love your feedback, but I totally disagree based on my primitive perception of what you are perhaps really trying to say :)<br /><br />Cheers! :)ZaidLearnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17621097605357272748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3421717067893938118.post-49279197507238041122010-10-05T00:04:49.893+08:002010-10-05T00:04:49.893+08:00Hello Zaid, I'm afraid I have to quarrel with ...Hello Zaid, I'm afraid I have to quarrel with your "Yes for quantitative subjects" paragraph.<br />Why on earth would you say that?<br /><br />On the other hand I will say that, for all subjects, it makes sense to use closed book testing of those aspects for which it will be important to be able to respond quickly in the workplace or other application environment. <br /><br />Examples include First Aid training and all those subjects whose main purpose is to prepare for making intelligent sounding cocktail party conversation (which probably includes all of the humanities and social sciences for example).Alan Cooperhttp://qpr.ca/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3421717067893938118.post-57571653366034063422010-10-02T20:46:17.657+08:002010-10-02T20:46:17.657+08:00bagus sekali artikelnyabagus sekali artikelnyawatch hellcats onlinehttp://watch-hellcats-online.co.ccnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3421717067893938118.post-59902083690833891992010-09-14T07:12:46.865+08:002010-09-14T07:12:46.865+08:00Dear Trevor,
Thanks for your comment and suggesti...Dear Trevor,<br /><br />Thanks for your comment and suggestions :)<br /><br />As for possibilities, I will leave my suggestions for the next RT-post, but your suggestions are great for now :)<br /><br />Closed book exams are efficient ways to filter out University students, but the biggest problem with this kind of assessment is that it is too one-dimensional and will for sure leave out many brilliant people who are not academically inclined. <br /><br />Hopefully, in the future there are a variety of possibilities to decide whether to get a University place (e.g. portfolios). <br /><br />Let's face it closed book exams although an efficient method is perhaps not the most effective and valid approach to select the geniuses and potentials of the 21st century :)<br /><br />Cheers!ZaidLearnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17621097605357272748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3421717067893938118.post-307247871720286452010-09-13T18:10:14.579+08:002010-09-13T18:10:14.579+08:00I love reading these kinds of posts. I get excited...I love reading these kinds of posts. I get excited that maybe we can dispense with exams. Then I am reminded that our (high school) students will be assessed at the end of their study with a closed book exam and this exam will decide if they get a University place. So how do we deal with this problem (until the higher authorities make a significant change)?<br />In the spirit of Zaid (write first and think later(that's a compliment I hope)) I would suggest two possibilities: <br />1. Teach students to think and acquire ways of finding knowledge instead of just finding knowledge, through the younger years and unfortunately fall back into closed book exams in prep for final years of schooling. <br />2. Prepare our students for the world and university entry through a variety of educational experiences and develop young adults who can think, plan, create, collaborate etc. Then help the students to gain early entry into University because their skills are so marketable and valuable (regardless of what a final piece of paper says) that any university or employer would want them.Trevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03743363788921425363noreply@blogger.com